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Re: Forum Structure

Post by FTC - Khair » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:36 am

It was a conscious decision by both Dhoesone, and I believe Randor, not to attend the Winterfests. In character, we felt they were being dominated by the Duchy-Kingdom, and were being used as a propaganda piece for their agenda, and certainly did not have any positive purpose. In my character's view, small group discussions are more productive at reaching consensus, and pushing for goals. If I needed to coordinate with the Kingdom, I could discuss it with Niall. I did not read the forums for the Winterfests, as they did not involve me.

I do not think we should be transparent about all our actions, or even, that everyone know about our side projects even OOC. The point of undertaking some of the side actions, was their relative lack of widespread knowledge of them. Only Cole ever asked Dhoesone, that I recall, about our efforts to invade the Southern Unseelie. In Character, I had an extremely low opinion of the value of large portions of the region towards a common cause, and had written them off completely as useful. This feeds into the above, that I felt no desire or reason to try to coordinate with more than a handful of people.
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Re: Forum Structure

Post by JB - Jana Boulderbrew » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:29 pm

TA - Niall Cole wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:25 am
It definitely felt like there were large parts of the game being played that were completely invisible to most of the players. I tried to do my best to post News! regularly that would be common knowledge but if not all players are doing that it doesnt really solve anything.
I liked your news... What I hated was that often things would be drowned out by AF's babbling to the point that I stopped reading much of it. There should be a rule where news threads are not replied by others.
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Re: Forum Structure

Post by TH - The Hunt » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:13 pm

I'm not sure what you're talking about. He created three threads on that board, and the only time I posted a reply in one, it was because he'd made an RP post mischaracterizing my character's realm. And the reply was just a spoiler-tagged description of the actual environment and situation.

If by a 'no replies' rule you mean a rule against posting additional, separate news threads in reaction to other ones, the result of that would be for whoever was first to post about a given subject would get to set the narrative for it, immune from contradiction, and everyone else would have to just deal with the consequences. It's bad enough already that we have people posting 'news' passive-aggressively and/or to assert dominance, aiming to metagame their way to victory, with 'drowning them out with babbling', as you put it, being the only remedy available.
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Re: Forum Structure

Post by TPK - The Pirates » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:16 pm

I believe Clay is saying that unless a person is invited to post to a thread, you probably shouldn't.

And sure, each realm will have their propaganda going, what real world realm doesn't?

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Re: Forum Structure

Post by CSF - Flint » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:42 pm

AF could be relied upon to post some gaslighting after every one of my news posts like clockwork, is probably what Clay is referring to. I also grew... quite tired... of the RP interactions, but I think that is a player problem more than a forum format problem.

Regarding news - I appreciate the feedback! I will keep the news posts up if we get another turn here, or in the next campaign whenever we reboot. My hope was that they gave everyone great context for interacting with the Coles. There has been some fun progression as the Cole story has evolved and 95% of the players have been great RP partners. The AF drama threatens to cast a giant dark shadow on everything and it is easy to let that dominate sentiment, but the reality is outside of that I have made a ton of great new friends and have enjoyed this game and community very much. Big thanks to each of you for the welcome.
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Re: Forum Structure

Post by CIC - Duke Cicero » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:34 pm

+1 to people not posting on others' threads unless invited
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Re: Forum Structure

Post by TH - The Hunt » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:38 pm

[+] Cut it out...
Gaslighting is 'to manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.' The original example was in a story where a man dimmed the lights, then worked to convince his wife that she was just imagining it. It's about lying, using misdirection and denial in an attempt to convince someone to question their own sanity. It's not about someone else competing with your attempts to manipulate others.

I don't care about your sanity, or lack thereof. I don't play this game because I'm 'craving attention', otherwise I would have quit ages ago when you started trying to starve me out. Your accusations look like projections, like you know how to identify bad behavior, but instead of correcting your own, you try to pin it on anyone brave enough to put up a fight.

If the Coles ever had levers to push or a narrative to progress--aside from all this 'submit and be rewarded, refuse and be destroyed' banality--I didn't get to see it. If there was anything else to them other than spreading out to occupy all the available space, both in and out of game, I didn't get to see it. It looks to me what you're afraid of is anything short of an absolute victory, to the point when you're letting your desire to 'win the game' crawl into the OOC.
So, again, cut it out. This especially doesn't belong in 'Rules Discussions'.
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Re: Forum Structure

Post by WM - The Waste Mage » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:15 pm

Yes....yeeeeesss..... let the hate flow. A long period of isolation (Nothing happening on game), old hatreds and issues bubbling and percolating in the meantime. When the world opens back up the ensuing chaos and violence will be glorious.

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Re: Forum Structure

Post by TH - The Hunt » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:59 pm

[+] Off-Topic
Sounds optimistic. Assuming we can make it that far without dissolving in frustration and acrimony, and assuming we brought our OOC grudges into the new game (despite being told specifically not to do that), it's still hard to imagine it would be much better than it's been so far (meaning, not good at all), if it's just going to be another 5 on 1 pile-up.

If I'd known that was even possible, much less likely, I wouldn't have chosen to start on an island with no ships, no resources, a mostly useless army unit and a completely useless road just for flavour. And I'd have played a mute wizard and built fortifications instead of creating what should have been a fun demipaladin and trying to RP with my opponents' characters.

Those countermeasures still wouldn't be enough to win a 5 versus 1, though. I mean... that probably shouldn't be possible.
As long as we're talking about news thread rules propositions, I'll mention the violation that prompted me to post a reply to his news post that one and only time: Godmodding. Players only control their own realms and characters, they need to stay away from defining or describing game pieces that belong to someone else, as much as possible. Having a soldier 'report' that someone else's followers committed suicide is in some ways worse than saying another person's character got angry and failed to dodge an attack.

'No godmodding' goes into a much more basic category than most RP rules. It's up there with 'no metagaming' and 'write in the same language the other players are using'.
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Re: Forum Structure

Post by CSF - Flint » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:39 am

This is the second time AF has referred to her fellow roleplayers as "opponents" but we are the ones trying to 'win' the game? A telling insight to her true motivations.

The complete lack of self awareness is astounding, even after 2 years of experiencing it. She finds new ways to completely miss her own point seemingly every time. When it comes to 'godmodding' how many times previous to that post did she describe my realm as being full of torturers and slavers? Maybe close to a dozen despite all evidence to the contrary, and -specifically rejecting offers to actually learn the truth, as I wished to describe my own realm.- Rejecting my own ability to narrate my realm, while hypocritically asserting her own.

Yet when I refer to her followers as suicidal fanatics after she made multiple suicide attacks and refusals to surrender or negotiate even while facing certain defeat/ under occupation, I am the godmodder?

I have made great efforts to work with the RP input she has given me, which is "insane suicidal person detached from reality with no regard for her own people" while she has made no effort at all to engage with my actions/narrative on any other axis than her own personal OOG hatred. In fact, specifically rejecting my attempts to show AF that her preconceived, pregame metagame notions were false.

She decided I was OOC supersatan hitlerstalin and started suiciding on me action 1, before we ever exchanged an email, and has not stopped. But she keeps trying to play the victim. Obscene. Absolutely obscene.

There is only one person 'godmodding' in these forums, someone who feels a need to respond to every single news post with a rebuttal asserting her god mode. It isnt me.
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