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Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:09 pm
by DM Juan
Summoning
(Conjuration/Summoning)
Regency: 4RP/unit
Gold: 2GB/unit
Duration: 1 Turn + 1 Action/level
Using a powerful summoning spell, a wizard creates an army to do his bidding. At third level, a Wizard can summon 2x Gnollish Irregulars, at sixth level she could summon 2x Orog Infantry or Archers, or 4 Gnollish Irregulars, and at 9th: 2 Stonecrown Ogres, or 4 Orogs, or 6 Gnolls. At 12th, 4 Stonecrown Ogres, 6 Orogs, or 8 Gnolls.The army is available to defend where they are summoned the action they are summoned, but cannot move until the following action.

Considering restructuring it, though, to "summoning Points" that can be spent on different tiers of units.

Something like: 2 points per caster-level; each gnoll irregular = 3 points, each Orog = 5 points, each Stonecrown Ogre = 8 points
Cost:
1RP per 2 summon points, plus 1RP per 2 units (2 Stonecrown = 16pts, and 2 units == 9RP; 6 Irregulars = 18pts, and 6 units == 14RP)
1GB per 4 summon points, plus 1GB per 2 units (2 Stonecrown = 16pts, and 2 units == 5GB; 6 Irregulars = 18pts, and 6 units == 8GB)

Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:16 pm
by RaH - Rassan al Hamam
4 Stonecrows sounds a bit much at 12. 3 sounds better.

Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:17 pm
by DM Juan
That is why the summon-pts work better, I think

Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:18 pm
by TH - The Hunt
So much for quadratic wizards, huh?

I noticed that wizards were always summoning the most powerful units possible. That doesn't seem right. There's options for a reason.

Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:22 pm
by DM Juan
Yeah, this would allow easier mix/match.

Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:23 pm
by RaH - Rassan al Hamam
Well 1 reason for that is that the costs are for each unit.

With 4 RP and 2GB per unit its much cheaper to get the big units. If you ever want someone to summon smaller units, the costs need to be adjusted.

Example for Level 9 wizard: 24 GB 12 RP for 6 Gnolls or 8 RP and 4 GB for 2 Ogres. I think that's unbalanced.

Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:25 pm
by WM - The Waste Mage
1 GB and 1 RP per 2 or 3 Summon points? And you don't have to use all of them.

























































































































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Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:30 pm
by LMC - Lord Mayor Cowell
Makes for more of a steady power progression to, rather then big jumps. Sounds good.

Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:33 pm
by RaH - Rassan al Hamam
2 points per caster level.

Gnoll =3, Orog =6 Ogre =9

Cost: Each point costs 0.5 RP and 0.25 GB

Would mean at level 9:

9 RP and 4.5 Gold and you would get 6 Gnolls, or 3 Orogs, or 2 Ogres.
Does that sound balanced? Im still having an issue of comparing the ogres to other units.

Re: Expanding Summoning

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:34 pm
by RaH - Rassan al Hamam
Maybe the smaller creatures need to cost more? Or cost at lower levels cost should be higher?