Expanding Summoning

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AaH - Avicerra al Hamam
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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by AaH - Avicerra al Hamam » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:40 pm

With the cost gnoll irregular = 3points, each Orog = 6 points, each Stonecrown Ogre = 9 points you will get less Orogs at lvl 9 than the current spell. I think the orog and gnolls should be a bit cheaper but maybee caped to a certain number? At lvl 9 you can now get 3 Orogs or 2 Ogres. A nobrainer what to take. What about 2 points for gnoll, 4 points for orog and 9 points for Oger? And we find a cost per summon point used not per unit.

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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by WM - The Waste Mage » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:41 pm

OR could make a new Realm Spell requiring a higher source level and call it Greater Summoning and have it summon Ogres and Giants.
































































































































































































































































































































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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by RaH - Rassan al Hamam » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:46 pm

Edited my post since I had some math issue in it.

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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by DM Juan » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:51 pm

Yeah, it would be cost-per-point, rather than unit, to also encourage using other unit types sometimes.

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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by DCT - Destiny Corben-Talas » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:00 pm

In the last game, Nimueh had a Shadow Summoning that was that way, 1 tier point per lvl. Quite more flexible bcos could simulate other races, although in this case there are enough types of troops.

On a sidenote, Giants last game had the very same stats as ogres, but could move and war at winter. It was great at beggining of game, quite crappy at end of game where any decent wizard could summon two ogres, but was a great adv prior as I said..,)
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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by WM - The Waste Mage » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:01 am

DM Juan wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:09 pm
Summoning
(Conjuration/Summoning)
Regency: 4RP/unit
Gold: 2GB/unit
Duration: 1 Turn + 1 Action/level
Using a powerful summoning spell, a wizard creates an army to do his bidding. At third level, a Wizard can summon 2x Gnollish Irregulars, at sixth level she could summon 2x Orog Infantry or Archers, or 4 Gnollish Irregulars, and at 9th: 2 Stonecrown Ogres, or 4 Orogs, or 6 Gnolls. At 12th, 4 Stonecrown Ogres, 6 Orogs, or 8 Gnolls.The army is available to defend where they are summoned the action they are summoned, but cannot move until the following action.

Considering restructuring it, though, to "summoning Points" that can be spent on different tiers of units.

Something like: 2 points per caster-level; each gnoll irregular = 2points, each Orog = 4 points, each Stonecrown Ogre = 9 points
Cost:
1RP per 2 summon points
1GB per 3 summon points

So at 14th level a wizard could summon 3 Ogre units or 14 Gnoll units. Who would win if 14 Gnolls went against 3 Ogres? Wouldn't the Gnolls win easily? How about 3, 5 and 8? That way if someone reaches 16th level they get a nice even 4 Ogres per summons.

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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by CI - Charrek Ironfist » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:11 am

I asked the same thing last game, was shot down. Not points, but maybe 4 ogres, 6 orogs or 8 gnolls you know.
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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by LMC - Lord Mayor Cowell » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:26 am

Py - Pyroneous wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:01 am
DM Juan wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:09 pm
Summoning
(Conjuration/Summoning)
Regency: 4RP/unit
Gold: 2GB/unit
Duration: 1 Turn + 1 Action/level
Using a powerful summoning spell, a wizard creates an army to do his bidding. At third level, a Wizard can summon 2x Gnollish Irregulars, at sixth level she could summon 2x Orog Infantry or Archers, or 4 Gnollish Irregulars, and at 9th: 2 Stonecrown Ogres, or 4 Orogs, or 6 Gnolls. At 12th, 4 Stonecrown Ogres, 6 Orogs, or 8 Gnolls.The army is available to defend where they are summoned the action they are summoned, but cannot move until the following action.

Considering restructuring it, though, to "summoning Points" that can be spent on different tiers of units.

Something like: 2 points per caster-level; each gnoll irregular = 2points, each Orog = 4 points, each Stonecrown Ogre = 9 points
Cost:
1RP per 2 summon points
1GB per 3 summon points

So at 14th level a wizard could summon 3 Ogre units or 14 Gnoll units. Who would win if 14 Gnolls went against 3 Ogres? Wouldn't the Gnolls win easily? How about 3, 5 and 8? That way if someone reaches 16th level they get a nice even 4 Ogres per summons.
14 gnolls would also cost 28 GB 58 RP while the ogres would cost 6 GB 12 RP.

Part of the spell upgrade is making it more cost effective, it isnt just power.
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Re: Expanding Summoning

Post by WM - The Waste Mage » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:45 am

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