Kn Rule Feedback

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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by AaH - Avicerra al Hamam » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:56 am

One thing that could be considered that each time you leave a faith the provinces you own get a loyalty hit. If your a nonelanded regent this would not work and I dont think a none landed leaving a faith should trigger loyalty drop in provinces with temples as this could be abused.

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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by WB - Water's Blessing » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:21 am

FTC - Au wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:42 am
The Gods are new and weak and derive their power from their faithful. Until we have faiths actually established with actual miracles being cast, I think joining and leaving should be very flexible. These new faiths aren't as sacred as the old ones were...yet.
+1

The only reason to have any restrictions is for meta-game reasons, not for verisimilitude reasons.
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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by DM Juan » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:07 pm

1 turn per tier of the faith simulates, in my view, the growing power of the Gods as they get stronger, making them able to resist your abandoning them. The weaker they are, the less they are able to punish you for your switching.

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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by JB - Jana Boulderbrew » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:30 pm

Is the faith tier recalculated after I withdraw my lvl x shrine? And if so, before or after the ‘punishment’?

Also, does your shrine supporting a faith automatically make you a worshipper of that faith?
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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by DM Juan » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:42 pm

If you are a Priest, yes. Otherwise, no.

I think "after" the cooldown, makes sense. The God is able to hold on to your Shrine support while you transition away from them.

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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by LMC - Lord Mayor Cowell » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:45 pm

AB - Alim Büyücü wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:21 am
FTC - Au wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:42 am
The Gods are new and weak and derive their power from their faithful. Until we have faiths actually established with actual miracles being cast, I think joining and leaving should be very flexible. These new faiths aren't as sacred as the old ones were...yet.
+1

The only reason to have any restrictions is for meta-game reasons, not for verisimilitude reasons.
The people would still be upset, even if the gods didnt.

The gods in our world arguably dont affect anything, but go in and tell one of the more religious nations that they not should worship another god and.. well ;)
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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by WB - Water's Blessing » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:58 pm

The only reason they started following the religion in the first place is because their leader told them to. If the leader who told them "Hey, we should listen to these guys!" then says "Hey, wait -- they're bad dudes. Stop listening to them!" it also makes sense that they wouldn't be upset because the were just going along with their leader in the first place and their real faith is in their leader and not the religion.
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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by WM - The Waste Mage » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:04 pm

If it's to stop meta changing for the bonuses just put a delay on when you get the religion's bonus when you switch.

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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by YK - Yuri Khavlor » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:05 pm

Also, Birthright, like most settings has always been pantheistic. All the gods are worshipped, (or appeased) by everyone. Individuals who choose a patron god, don't stop recognizing other gods' existence.

The closest real-life corollary would be patron saints. If St George was replaced as the patron Saint of England, wouldn't change the day-to-day, everyone would still go to the same churches, and pray to the same saints they always did.
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Re: Kn Rule Feedback

Post by TH - The Hunt » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:18 pm

Mostly... I'm pretty sure the Vos gods and the Anuirean gods are effectively blocked out by the opposite party. Less extreme for the others, though. And they still recognize their opponents exist, they just discuss them contemptuously.
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