Undefined how to bid - Subversion

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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by MaH - Meganno al Hamam » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:44 pm

Without this new priest defense magic, it would not be possible that one army can ignore all wizards and conquer all with force in a few turns- one example about unbalancing the game- and the joy of most conquered players.

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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by TF - The Fortress » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:45 pm

Priest defense magic? They are talking the wizard subversion spell.
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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by TF - The Fortress » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:47 pm

And any army can be stopped --- if there are people willing to stand against it and not just add to it's power.

The price of freedom is not paid for with flowers and rainbows :)
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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by WM - The Waste Mage » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:49 pm

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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by DM Juan » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:54 pm

If they had pre cast the anti subversion spell, it is pretty obvious this conversation would not have come up...

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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by WB - Water's Blessing » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:17 pm

RC - Riva wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:47 pm
And any army can be stopped --- if there are people willing to stand against it and not just add to it's power.

The price of freedom is not paid for with flowers and rainbows :)
What if the rainbows in question happen to form a very hypnotic pattern?
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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by TF - The Fortress » Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:18 pm

Those are special rainbows, probably from whatever is being ingested/smoked locally!
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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by TH - The Hunt » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:11 pm

Yeah, flowers and rainbows CAN be the price of freedom, but they'd better be some exceptionally nasty flowers and outrageously trippy rainbows.

I don't see how 'Subversion is a better Defection' when Subversion only allows you to give units a single instruction (where you can't even control how they carry it out) while Defection lets you use the units as if they were your own for an extended period.

#3 seems to be the best match for my interpretation. I don't think it's a big deal, as Subversion is a level-1 spell... it shouldn't be the keystone of anyone's strategy, it should be a light touch where the defender isn't sure whether resistance is worth the effort, that can be used creatively to produce unexpected effects.
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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by TF - The Fortress » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:23 pm

It is better in some regards (can affect far more troops) and worse in others (can be bid against).

Agreed it should not be the cornerstone/lynchpin of a defense.
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Re: Undefined how to bid - Subversion

Post by JB - Jontinius Bruin » Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:30 pm

Subversion also has interesting applications like, if used during neutral times it looks like the other regent did the action.

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