Racial Building Materials

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Racial Building Materials

Post by YK - Yuri Khavlor » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:35 am

I would like to propose a racial Building Knowledge for Humans.

Brick - Plains provinces produce a 'Stone' substitute for building. Bricks are not shared via trade routes.

In the Diaspora/Flight 'build from scratch' format humans are well behind other races for access to building materials. They are assigned to plains, with no chance of starting with a Building material resource. With the addition of great captains, and smaller maps it becomes a massively amplified disadvantage.

A Brick option will reduce some of the handicaps compared to the dominant advantages of Karamhul and Sidhelien.
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Re: Racial Building Materials

Post by DCT - Destiny Corben-Talas » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:01 am

Try to get anything done with Iron from scratch..,). It does not even works for provinces of 4+, that needs grain, wood and stone, all of that is not always available at hills..and also we lack extra feats or DP bonuses, or bonus facilities maximum. Crappy Halfos..,)
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Re: Racial Building Materials

Post by YK - Yuri Khavlor » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:12 am

Hills have the option to start with stone, not much better.

Maybe Halflings should have the benefit of making level 1 buildings with only one resource in hills (like forts) given their propensity for living semi underground?

Goblin start in woods.

Orog starts in the mountains with a chance for starting with stone. Maybe they should get the Dwarven food bonus.

Gnolls get the shaft? Like humans in plains they have no building resources, and I cannot think of a thematic way that they would get help in this regard. Maybe a racial 'slaving' option to replace the possibility of competing for great captains.
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Re: Racial Building Materials

Post by DCT - Destiny Corben-Talas » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:27 am

Hills provide Grain even sometimes. Its just the normal resource, being iron, that gives a hard start for halfos if there is not a quick expansion, that definitively didnt happened this time. Its matter of luck, halfos needs to expand quickly or they are suffocated by the others. I thought Orogs already had that advantage, not only the dwarves, and gnolls have a huge advantage in terms of pop growth. They rarely need it, as they are the best ratio for rule provinces. I would suggest gnolls gets easier to get materials, they are very well know scavengers. If itwere not so bothering job for juan, would say they get 1 material per province of a random resource, not including the advanced ones, at least for first turns..
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Post by TF - The Fortress » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:29 am

For Diaspora/Start from Scratch type set ups, not taking starting resources is a bad idea regardless of race.
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Re: Racial Building Materials

Post by DM Juan » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:30 am

Hills are either Iron or Grain
Orogs can use the Mine-grain thing, as well.

Gnolls have very low DC province ruling.

In terms of the Great Captains, 3/5 have been recruited by non-Sidhe/non-Karamhul.

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Re: Racial Building Materials

Post by DM Juan » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:40 am

I do, however, think there is an issue with the start-from-nothing games, in terms of resource access. It creates a need to prioritize resources, which can warp behaviour if a guilder isn't nearby, or make it almost impossible to get all resources.

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Post by WB - Water's Blessing » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:52 am

Might make it, in future iterations, instead of giving people enough to build 1 building that anybody can build level 1 buildings without resources. You need the resources to build above level 1. So, any village can build an earthen berm or something like that, but need to source a quarry and lumber to build something more complex.
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Re: Racial Building Materials

Post by LMC - Lord Mayor Cowell » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:52 am

Might include an option to do buildings at a(significantly) higher cost, without resources. Indicating black market stuff, with people smuggling resources from elsewhere so you need to pay premium.

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Or lvl 1 without is another option

But well. I doubt many buildings, if any, was built in the first 7-8 turns without starter resources, meaning it made no difference to early strength anyway.
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Re: Racial Building Materials

Post by CSF - Flint » Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:54 am

When the whole map was revealed, and we had perfect resource information, you could plan your resource acquisition. With the explore mechanic, that angle of resource engagement is replaced with a (seemingly) much higher variance randomness. I am not convinced that is a bad thing.

Previously we indicated a desire to slow down the game economy - doesnt the explore+resource mechanic do exactly that? Preventing guilders from max efficiency laying down the perfect network from turn 1, then forcing potential reworks when another player is met who needs X, and has trade route slots you can gain access to?
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