Re: Future game set-up concepts
Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:15 am
I am confused, is this an in character post or an OOC post?
An OOC explanation of IC motivations.AA - Aingeal Aghmohr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:15 amI am confused, is this an in character post or an OOC post?
I have to leave LG and CG out of my assessments typically. For example, Ector Gladanil was 'LG' yet dehumanized and was villainous to anyone but humans. Shireen and Dhoesone were LN, and continued EGs racism. When it's okay to wipe out a peaceful realm or slaughter innocents just because they are different it quickly leaves the rational behind and becomes legalistic interpretations of alignment rather than moral ones. This is similar to the Holocaust. It was evil, period. Yes, some of the Germans involved were decent people who were scared to do the right thing, but from a realm perspective, it set Nazi Germany firmly into the category of Evil.FTC - Au wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:53 amThe Hunt is evil. It is the antithesis of everything Aurelia believes in. Literally, LG vs CE. Mishrak has shown himself to be reasonable and rational and useful but at the end of the day, he is an enemy. His people are miserable wretches who betray their own families for little gain. They are backstabbing monsters who need to spend some time re-evaluating their life choices. How Riva spent time evaluating his own and came to that side is incomprehensible.RC - Riva wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:03 pmThe lands of The Hunt were far more peaceful, advanced, and thriving than any other realm...and it wasn't even close. Riva took a trip away to contemplate what he had seen and on his return dedicated himself to Hircine as it was clear the beliefs of 'The Way' (previously Ishka) and Hircine were more fully in alignment than apart.
We are poised now perhaps to fight on an open field with more then 100 units per side. That is reason enough to end the game from Juan's perspective. What we don't have right now is a cause for war. Mishrak has been....behaving himself. No outrage to avenge, no innocent realm to defend against a brutal invader. And there's always the problem that his team is better led and organized then my team(only cuz you defected) and we really don't have a chance a winning.
The word the website uses is 'positive', not 'heroic'. And in terms of that third dimension, our characters are 'neutral' on average, at best. To the extent Mishrak is motivated by hedonism, for example, he's not just having fun, he's having fun at the expense of tens of thousands of lives. That's rather 'negative'.AA - Aingeal Aghmohr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:13 pmwe are playing the 'heroic' slice of an alignment cube
The point of this exercise is to show that even though there are "chaotic" and "evil" alignments in D&D, members of these alignments can still possess character traits that are deemed desirable, perhaps even heroic. It naturally follows, then, that each alignment can be seen in terms of "positive" and "negative" attributes. We already know the negative attributes of the evil alignments; the D&D alignment system focuses on them exclusively. Evil characters are extremely selfish, cruel, merciless, and are typically unconcerned with the welfare of those considered not part of the "in-group." In the case of lawful evils, the in-group is clearly defined. For neutral evils, the in-group is whoever is contributing to advancing the aims of the neutral evil. For chaotic evils, the in-group is simply the self.
In a similar vein, D&D focuses only on the positive aspects of the good alignments. Good characters are benevolent, altruistic, and self-sacrificing. They "do the right thing." They help people, fight evil, and aid good organizations. These are all positive aspects of goodness. What are the negative aspects? Good characters can be pacifists, refusing to ever use violence, even if such violence combats evil and saves lives. Good characters can be martyrs, sacrificing the self to such an extent that they become doormats for anyone who comes along (good or evil). They can be self-righteous. Certainly a "holier than thou" attitude is a negative one. There are many other examples of good characters possessing negative traits based on their goodness.