Topic: Armies too large

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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by TH - The Hunt » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:15 pm

I can't follow that, myself.
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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by JB - Jontinius Bruin » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:23 pm

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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by SG - Sigrun Godefroy » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:28 pm

Makes sense if you contemplate I
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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by WM - The Waste Mage » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:42 pm

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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by JB - Jontinius Bruin » Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:04 am

This is not wrong.

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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by SG - Sigrun Godefroy » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:43 am

*can I say that light infantry as a jack of all trades with like one counter is a bit strong?
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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by JB - Jontinius Bruin » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:35 pm

That is a good point. With training Cavalry so difficult it makes Infantry the best unit by far.

We need some sort of middle road.

Suggestion. Use old campaign muster limits as a soft cap.

Law/2 + Prov/3 + Temple/4 + Guild/4 = Soft Cap, Train at +50% bonus

101-150% Cap: Train at non penalty/Bonus

151-200% Cap: Train at 30% penalty

200-300% Cap: Train at 60% penalty

301%+ Cap: Train at 90% penalty

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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by SG - Sigrun Godefroy » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:10 pm

Skirmisher units or medium units could be a thing. But probably not in a smaller scale game
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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by TH - The Hunt » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:21 pm

Basic infantry (and pikemen) having 1 movement point instead of 2 would make irregulars more useful, since they'd be able to keep up with archers and other units. By extension, this would make everything other than infantry more useful, because infantry wouldn't be present at every battle.
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Re: Topic: Armies too large

Post by DM Juan » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:32 pm

They'd be present, because people would slow their whole army down to accommodate. Infantry/Archer core is simply... way way too good, not to accommodate them being slower. Or you just... only move by sea.
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nm=Elf Cavalry;mv=4;df=3;mr=3;ml=3,2;ch=5,3;mi=4,2;ht=1;sv=15;rg=Elf;
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nm=Elf Infantry;mv=2;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2;ch=n;mi=1,0;ht=1;sv=16;rg=Elf;
nm=Elf Knights;mv=4;df=4;mr=3;ml=4,3,2;ch=6,4,3;mi=3,2,1;ht=2;sv=14;rg=Elf;
nm=Gheallie Sidhe;mv=4;df=4;mr=3;ml=3,2,1,0;ch=5,3,2,1;mi=4,3,2,1;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Elf;
nm=Gnoll Infantry;mv=2;df=4;mr=1;ml=4,3,2;ch=n;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Gnoll Marauders;mv=2;df=3;mr=1;ml=3,2;ch=n;mi=2,1;ht=1;sv=17;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Goblin Archers;mv=1;df=2;mr=1;ml=1,0;ch=n;mi=3,1;ht=1;sv=15;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Goblin Guards;mv=1;df=3;mr=2;ml=4,2,1;ch=n;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Goblin Infantry;mv=1;df=2;mr=1;ml=2,1;ch=n;mi=1,0;ht=1;sv=16;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Goblin Marauders;mv=2;df=2;mr=1;ml=2,1,0;ch=n;mi=3,2,1;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Goblin Skirmishers;mv=1;df=1;mr=1;ml=2,1;ch=n;mi=2,1;ht=1;sv=17;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Goblin Spider Riders;mv=2;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2,1;ch=4,3,2;mi=1,1,0;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Goblin Wolf Riders;mv=2;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2;ch=4,3;mi=1,0;ht=1;sv=15;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Gorgon Goblin Infantry;mv=1;df=2;mr=1;ml=2,1,0;ch=n;mi=1,0,0;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Awny;
nm=Gorgon Human Archers;mv=2;df=2;mr=2;ml=2,1,0;ch=n;mi=4,2,1;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=Gorgon Troll Mercanaries;mv=2;df=4;mr=3;ml=5,4,3,2;ch=n;mi=n;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=Guardians of Mhoried;mv=2;df=4;mr=2;ml=4,3,2;ch=6,4,3;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Anuire;
nm=Harpies;mv=3;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2,1,0;ch=4,3,2,1;mi=n;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=Hydras Protectors;mv=2;df=3;mr=1;ml=3,2,1;ch=n;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=Iron Hand Calvary;mv=3;df=2;mr=2;ml=2,1,0;ch=4,3,2;mi=3,2,1;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Iron Hand Scouts;mv=3;df=2;mr=2;ml=2,1,0;ch=n;mi=3,2,1;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Iron Hand Skirmishers;mv=2;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2,1;ch=n;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Khinasi Archers;mv=2;df=1;mr=2;ml=2,1;ch=n;mi=4,2;ht=1;sv=16;rg=Khinasi;
nm=Khinasi Elite Spearmen;mv=2;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2,1;ch=n;mi=3,2,1;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Khinasi;
nm=Khinasi Infantry;mv=1;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2;ch=n;mi=1,0;ht=1;sv=16;rg=Khinasi;
nm=Khinasi Levies;mv=1;df=1;mr=1;ml=2,1,0;ch=n;mi=n;ht=2;sv=17;rg=Khinasi;
nm=Khinasi Light Cavalry;mv=4;df=2;mr=2;ml=2,1;ch=3,2;mi=3,1;ht=1;sv=15;rg=Khinasi;
nm=Khinasi Medium Cavalry;mv=3;df=3;mr=3;ml=4,2,1;ch=5,3,2;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=14;rg=Khinasi;
nm=Khinasi Scouts;mv=3;df=2;mr=2;ml=2,1;ch=n;mi=3,2;ht=1;sv=15;rg=Khinasi;
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nm=Knights of Haelyn;mv=2;df=5;mr=3;ml=5,4,3;ch=7,5,4;mi=n;ht=2;sv=14;rg=Anuire;
nm=Lions Pride;mv=3;df=3;mr=2;ml=5,4,3,2;ch=6,5,4,3;mi=n;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=Magians Archers;mv=2;df=2;mr=2;ml=2,1,0;ch=n;mi=4,3,2;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Awny;
nm=Magians Calvary;mv=3;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2,1;ch=5,4,3;mi=1,1,0;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Awny;
nm=Magians Infantry;mv=1;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2,1;ch=n;mi=n;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Awny;
nm=Magians Riders;mv=2;df=8;mr=3;ml=4,3,2,1;ch=5,4,3,2;mi=4,3,2,1;ht=3;sv=2;rg=Awny;
nm=Magians Scouts;mv=3;df=1;mr=2;ml=3,2,1;ch=n;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Awny;
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nm=Rjurik Battle Ragers;mv=1;df=2;mr=3;ml=5,3,2;ch=n;mi=n;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Rjurik;
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nm=Rjurik Druids;mv=3;df=3;mr=3;ml=2,1;ch=n;mi=2,1;ht=1;sv=15;rg=Rjurik;
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nm=Rjurik Irregulars;mv=2;df=2;mr=2;ml=2,1;ch=n;mi=2,1;ht=1;sv=17;rg=Rjurik;
nm=Rjurik Mariners;mv=2;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2,1;ch=n;mi=1,0,-2;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Rjurik;
nm=Rjurik Raiders;mv=2;df=2;mr=2;ml=3,2;ch=n;mi=2,1;ht=1;sv=15;rg=Rjurik;
nm=Rjurik Scouts;mv=3;df=2;mr=2;ml=1,0;ch=n;mi=4,3;ht=1;sv=15;rg=Rjurik;
nm=Rjurik Shapeshifters;mv=2;df=3;mr=3;ml=5,4,3,2;ch=n;mi=n;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Rjurik;
nm=Rjurik Tribesmen;mv=1;df=3;mr=2;ml=4,3,2;ch=n;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Rjurik;
nm=Serpent Guard;mv=2;df=4;mr=3;ml=4,3,2,1;ch=n;mi=n;ht=3;sv=14;rg=Awny;
nm=Sphinxs Cats Charge;mv=4;df=3;mr=2;ml=3,2,1,0;ch=4,3,2,1;mi=n;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=Sphinxs Gnoll Marauders;mv=2;df=3;mr=1;ml=3,2,1;ch=n;mi=2,1,0;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=Sphinxs Infantry;mv=2;df=2;mr=2;ml=3,2,1;ch=n;mi=n;ht=2;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=Stonecrown Ogres;mv=2;df=3;mr=2;ml=7,6,5,4;ch=n;mi=n;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Humanoid;
nm=Undead Legion;mv=1;df=7;mr=3;ml=5,4,3;ch=n;mi=n;ht=2;sv=16;rg=Undead;
nm=War Birds;mv=4;df=2;mr=2;ml=3,2,1,0;ch=4,3,2,1;mi=n;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Awny;
nm=White Witchs Guard;mv=2;df=3;mr=2;ml=4,3,2,1;ch=5,3,2,1;mi=n;ht=3;sv=15;rg=Awny;

BirBattle currently has the above stats, runs battle, archery rounds, disengaging, breaking, etc... it's not that bad, actually. And pretty easy to modify if I wanted for stats, or new units.

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