Province/Regent Alignments

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Province/Regent Alignments

Post by TH - The Hunt » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:56 pm

My thoughts keep coming back to this... If not for the province alignments shown on the map, as players we would never be able to know for sure what alignment the other PCs are. I understand it's useful for the DM to be able to see what province alignments are, track them, and change them this way, but I'm not sure it's worth losing uncertainty about what alignment the other realms and regents are at the start of the game. Especially when it starts being used to justify what they do.

A possible solution would be to assume that provinces are the same alignment as their starting regent, and not bother to mark that on the map. (If that makes it tricky to apply the action penalties, we could just ignore them, the extra -1 or -2 doesn't mean much.) We'd also remove the ability to shift province alignments with Agitate or Leadership. Instead, they'd generate events when the province alignment didn't match the regent's, and shift when and only when those events were resolved well enough. (Otherwise, the regent could shift alignment to match the province, an option with its own perils.)

I think bringing the mystery back could save us some headaches. Alignment, and enforcing the consequences of going against it, would be firmly in DM hands. With the exception of cases where a PC admits to having a restrictive character class--and only to the extent they were believed, or could prove it with divine powers--players wouldn't be able to use their alignment to justify their actions to (or toward) other players, or criticize other players for their interpretation of it.

My main concern is less the spoiler, and more the sense of legitimacy players can get from having their character's alignment broadcast on the map, with the implication that others have to respect what they do because of it.
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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by YK - Yuri Khavlor » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:09 pm

Regents are not their provinces. As you said -1 or -2 doesn't mean much, and I know several regents who chose different alignments for their settlements.

You should not know a regents alignment, even by their actions. They may well be trying to fool someone into thinking they are a good person. Magic and blood abilities were created for that purpose. Also I don't think anyone wants to get into any OOC debates whether a person is playing their alignment.

With a province you can tell the alignment. You walk into a hive of scum and villainy you will notice immediately that people conduct themselves differently than back home at the hippie commune, or the fuhrer's capital.
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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by DM Juan » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:13 pm

Your provinces don't have to match your alignment at start, if you wish to cloak your personal alignment in return for a -1 or -2 to actions.

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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by SG - Sigrun Godefroy » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:17 pm

How do the penalties work?
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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by TH - The Hunt » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:21 pm

(Edited in a bottom line at the end.)

I think regent whose alignment is a bad match for their realm should have a stronger pressure to fix it than the action penalties. Like, being repeatedly be thrown into Morton's Fork situations where they will either fail to do what their realm wants them to do or fail to do what their own alignment requires of them. Otherwise, I'm not sure what the point of having province alignments is.

(This should be only mildly restrictive, not crippling, if the regent and realm alignments are not far apart.)
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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by YK - Yuri Khavlor » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:22 pm

If the province you take an action is has a different alignment, you action is harder by 1 or 2.

1 If you share on Alignment
2 if you don't share either alignment
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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by SG - Sigrun Godefroy » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:24 pm

Ah so like LG and Ng would be a -1 bit LG and TN would be -2
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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by YK - Yuri Khavlor » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:26 pm

Exactly,

It's on par with cultural& language penalties, so it makes sense if there is a values gap too.
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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by CIC - Duke Cicero » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:30 pm

Back in Taelshore, as a non-landed temple, I was often using my leadership freebies every turn to change province alignments, where I didn't exactly see eye to eye with the province ruler. Province alignments seem not to change much the last couple games and I think part of that is (almost) everyone being landed and the starting from scratch factor.
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Re: Province/Regent Alignments

Post by CSF - Flint » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:35 pm

Cole made a lot of province alignment changes this game. No one seemed to notice or comment.
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